Tuesday, February 26, 2008

Thoughts of it all by a friend of a friend

This was sent to me by a friend who has another friend who has been involved with politics as of late. Her name is Hannah. These are her thoughts. I found them interesting.
"I've been a turbo politics junkie lately, and living in Seattle has only fueled the fire: the week before the caucuses, I went to see both Clinton and Obama speak, and then I got to caucus (for the first time in my life) where, of course, I talked a lot and ended up elected as a delegate (for Clinton) to the next round.

Frankly, I like both of them and would happily vote for and campaign for Obama if he gets the nomination, but Clinton's my top choice. There's something a little too "I'm charming, I'm good looking, I'm a golden boy" about Obama. I like Clinton's specifics, her practicality, and, despite popular opinion to the contrary, I think she'd stand a better chance against McCain. I think too much has been made of her polarizing effect--I actually think that, against McCain, Clinton would be able to convincingly cast herself as a centrist (thus appealing to independent, moderate voters), pushing McCain to the right. Against Obama, I think McCain will be able to take the centrist position, because all his campaign has to do is focus on Obama's "most liberal voting record in the Senate" title and the public will grasp onto their favorite L-word and brand Obama as a left-wing wacko. I don't know--it may not play out that way at all, but that's my theory. I also think that, for all of her so-called (and somewhat substantiated) "polarizing effect," she's also been thoroughly vetted in the media, by Republican campaigns, etc. There's not much more they can dig up on her. It makes me nervous, though, that Obama's been given pretty much a free pass--that won't last when he gets to the general.

The other thing that struck me, seeing both of them speak in Seattle, was the stark contrast between their rallies. Granted, some of this is because Clinton's campaign stop here was pretty much last-minute, but here's my take: Clinton's rally was in a Port of Seattle warehouse on a pier in the industrial district. 5000 people in attendance (more outside who couldn't get in), and very bare-bones. Just her on a stage speaking, some speakers set up so that those of us in the overflow room (with only a peek-a-boo view of her) could hear. Some crappy music playing softly through the speakers as we waited for her to take the stage. The next day, at Obama's rally, 20,000 people filled Key Arena (where the Sonics play), with another 3000 outside who couldn't get in. As we waited for Obama to arrive, there was loud music playing, all of which was campaign-themed ("Ain't No Mountain High Enough," etc.), and then, at pretty regular intervals, an Obama campaign video would play on the video screen. There was even a music video that had been made for Obama. I really felt like I was at one of those creepy evangelical youth revivals, where they pump up the young people for Jesus by playing Jesus-themed rock music, etc. I'd already made that comparison on my own, but a couple of days ago, I heard a funny joke about Obama on NPR (Wait, Wait, Don't Tell Me!): "Critics say that his campaign is turning into a kind of cult, with his rallies seeming more like religious revival meetings. Supporters say that's ridiculous because religious revival meetings usually don't feature speeches by Jesus himself."

This was also funny: "The Obama camp is starting to talk like he's unstoppable. They cite wide-spread approval of his policy platforms, which include calling for hope, renewal, change, perkiness, and a 50% increase in our gross national positivity."

I realize that my comment about Obama's rally sounds snarky--I know that it wasn't really a religious revival meeting, and I am by no means using that as a reason for preferring Clinton. It just felt weird, especially after having seen Clinton the night before. The other (and much more important contrast) was that Clinton's speech focused primarily on solutions, i.e., she would briefly discuss a problem and then spend a lot of time detailing her specific solution. Obama, on the other hand, spent the first part of his speech talking about how awesome he is (okay, I'm paraphrasing), then spent the majority of the time talking about the problems in detail, then spent a much shorter amount of time discussing (somewhat vaguely, and sounding a lot like Clinton when he was specific) solutions, and then ended his speech by defending himself against claims that he's "too hopeful," "too inexperienced," etc. This seemed like an important difference in focus, substance, and style to me. "

4 comments:

B. E. Busby said...

Disclaimer:

I'm a "reformed" 'publican with an Obama wish.

That said, I'm tired of the "experience" harangue... let's compare years as an ELECTED officiate and results garnered therefrom. Quite honestly, I don't see a lot of difference.

As a crossover, there's no way I would ever vote to put another Clinton on Penn Ave., but would blow off John "my neurons ain't right" McCain for Obama like a shot.

"Why?" you might ask, and my answer remains the sdame -- maximal damage to the powers-that-be (and lobbyists and tigers and bears, oh my Gawd). Clinton's too connected especially to the skank-farm that fed Bill and his neo-libs (George freakin' Stephanapolous?? spare me!).

It looks like I'm not alone -- see
http://tinyurl.com/38barc

Sincerely,
Disaffected Conservative

[NB: No, I refuse to vote for Nader]

Christie said...

I always have to look words up in the dictionary after you comment, B.E. Busby. :)

So, if Obama doesn't win the nomination, does that mean you bow out of voting or that you end up going with "John "my neurons ain't right" McCain"? (Of course, you don't really have to tell me.)

On a side note, I include all of Hillary's time spent traveling the world when she was First Lady as part of her experience. Let's say she eventually secures the nomination and wins the White House, she walks in with an entire network of people she can reach out to repair our image around the world.

B. E. Busby said...

Yes, I would probably choose the neurally dubious McCain over Clinton. "Why make such a strange choice?" I hear you thinking (after running through a politesse filter for the sake of your site rating)... the answer is my consistent mantra of maximal disruption to biz as usual.

Your representation of the "... she walks in with an entire network of people she can reach out to repair our image around the world." (I think there should be a repeated "to" in there) seems a little dubious on a couple of fronts:

- firstly, the major players have shifted: Blair's out in the UK, Sarkozy's driving France (now THERE'S a great disruptive element!) and Germany's Merkel. It's not obvious to me what advantage presidential-spousing your way through the world would have given an 8 year lag in world affairs.

- secondly, just the fact that there is a cadre of players ready made makes me hinky... they're the very folks I want turned out of power, especially the shiny-shoed Washingtonians.

- lastly, I don't like to think that my vote will be wasted and, given the sentiment that seems to be saying that a vote for Obama gives a fighting chance for an inclusive presidency and a vote for Clinton means the Dems lose and we're once again in divisive mode, I'll go for softening the divide no matter how much it makes my teeth itch.

Now, a pairing of these two might be interesting:

http://tinyurl.com/38p6ys

Cheers,

[Further NYT stuff of interest:

Polling data:

http://tinyurl.com/2lugek

A bit of the ugly side:

http://tinyurl.com/34kdzd ]

Christie said...

Hmmm...I hadn't even considered those in power when I was speaking of Hillary's visits 'round the world. Rather I was addressing the vast network of peoples, arguably in power positions but not solely the top dogs, some of whom have already moved on or been replaced. Obama is less known and for this some find him infinitely appealing - what will he do? What can he accomplish? But I believe, and maybe rather foolishly, that the Clintons left office with lots of goodwill intact. That is something that can be utilized in the struggle to get back America's "good" name. Quotes on that because certainly not all view America as such.

I have said many times that whoever wins the nomination on this side of the aisle will get my vote and I'm sticking to that. While I was happy to learn that McCain has a long record of standing up against corporate America, his seeming appetite for war has me convinced he is not the one for the job. We need to get out of Iraq, not start a second - wait, third (Afghanistan) - war with Iran.