Tuesday, June 19, 2007

The Clintons meet the Sopranos

8 comments:

Elizabeth Prata said...

Oh, gag. Should be "You and I, and Anything That Moves"

Think she has a chance? I'm a Fred Thompson fan!

Christie said...

I know. They failed miserably but I think the attempt was brave. I'm disappointed with the song. I see the selection as a missed opportunity to connect with potential voters who aren't already on board. But I'm also so thrilled she's a viable female candidate that I can't see myself supporting anyone but her. She's intelligent, she has experience, and she has the abillity to raise the funds necessary to move her campaign forward. Yes, I think she has a shot at securing the nomination. And yes, I'll vote for her if she does.

As for Mr. Thompson, I like him on Law and Order. :) But seriously, I have read a little about him but I'm so firmly ensconced on the left side that I can't see myself being persuaded to jump to the other side, unless of course he is for gay marriage, supports a woman's right to choose, is for lowering taxes for the poor and middle classes while raising taxes on the wealthy, supports stem cell research, recognizes and will uphold the separation of church and state, etc.

Elizabeth Prata said...

oops, he's out on all those counts.

Do you remember Geraldine Ferraro? VP nominee. I was so happy Mondale chose her. And I LOVED Jocelyn Elders. Now why can't she run?

I think Hillary is incredibly intelligent too but I don't think she has the needed skills to draw people to coalesce around issues, she seems like a divider to me. Though that just could be how the media portrayed a strong woman...

Christie said...

Yeah, I remember Ferraro and I liked Jocelyn Elders.

As for Hillary being this polarizing figure, some people like her and some people don't. I don't think this keeps her from being effective at her job. In fact, what she has accomplished in New York so far suggests otherwise.

What I hear all the time, which is something you don't often hear about the male candidates, is stuff like she has a screechy voice and she is strident and driven (but not in a good way, only men can be motivated where politics are concerned)...Oh, and there was some concern over her cookie making statement, as if she was being derogatory to women. If these same people would look at her record in public service, they would see a woman who dedicated her life to helping the underprivileged. A woman who sacrificed her own career and ambitions so she could stand by her cheating husband while he made his way to the White House.

You can bet if she had backtracked and apologized for her vote on the war, the pundits on the right would have nailed her to the cross for being wishy-washy. I can also see, if she had initially opposed the war, how they could have turned her vote into a "women can't be tough on terror" platform.

I like Obama, I just think he's too green for the job. Experience counts for quite a bit. The fact that Hillary has such an established network should be considered a good thing, especially when we look at the world stage. The woman visited over 80 countries when she was the First Lady. This may make it much easier for her to repair our country's image than someone else who doesn't have the network to rely on.

See, I can't even try to be fair because I'm so "women take back the world" right now I can hardly see straight. Look for me on the steps of the White House shouting "Down with the patriarchy!" in the near future. (I'll be the one with the baby belly.)

Elizabeth Prata said...

I liked your point about having visited 80 countries as first lady and the network from that.

Women take back the world...pregnant belly...you must be itching to see Angelina Jolie in A Mighty Heart.

I am reading a lot about Mary Magdalene. I get so irritated that the Catholic church's deliberate lumping of Mary with two other women in the Bible made her a harlot when she wasn't, and that the church's quiet retraction of that wrongful deed in 1969 meets with little notice or change in sermonizing from the pulpit. And the fact that Mary Magdalene was the Apostle to the Apostles and allegedly the named Master to suceeed Jesus in spreading His word. And likely his wife. An extremely bum rap.

At least we have Hildegard of Bingen.

Christie said...

"Hildegard of Bingen"? I'll have to research that a little and get back to you with my thoughts.

Any books in particular on Mary Magdalene?

Elizabeth Prata said...

Elaine Pagels is a preeminent figure in the theological community whose impressive scholarship has earned her international respect. Her findings were published in the bestselling book, The Gnostic Gospels, an analysis of 52 early Christian manuscripts that were unearthed in Egypt. Known collectively as the Nag Hammadi Library, the manuscripts show the pluralistic nature of the early church and the role of women in the developing Christian movement

The Gospel of Mary Magdalene and the GOspel of Thomas, two gospels unearthed at Nag Hammadi;
then these are good as well:


Amy Wellborn, de-coding Mary Magdalene: Truth, Legend, and Lies, Our Sunday Visitor 2006: a straightforward accounting of what is well-known of Mary Magdalene.
Ann Graham Brock, Mary Magdalene, The First Apostle: The Struggle for Authority, Harvard University Press 2003: discusses issues of apostolic authority in the gospels and the Gospel of Peter the competition between Peter and Mary, especially in chapter 7, "The Replacement of Mary Magdalene: A Strategy for Eliminating the Competition".
Birger A. Pearson, "Did Jesus Marry?" Bible Review, Spring 2005, pp 32-39 & 47 Discussion of complete texts.
Stephen J. Shoemaker, "Rethinking the ‘Gnostic Mary’: Mary of Nazareth and Mary of Magdala in Early Christian Tradition", in Journal of Early Christian Studies, 9 (2001) pp 555-595.
Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince, The Templar Revelation, Simon & Schuster, 1997. Presents a hypothesis that Mary Magdalene was a priestess who was Jesus' partner in a sacred marriage.
Joan Acocella. "The Saintly Sinner: The Two-Thousand-Year Obsession with Mary Magdalene". The New Yorker, February 13 & 20, 2006, p. 140-49. Prompted by controversy surrounding Dan Brown's the Da Vinci Code.
Katherine Ludwig Jansen, The Making of the Magdalen: Preaching and Popular Devotion in the Later Middle Ages (Princeton University Press) 2000.
Dan Burstein and Arne J. De Keijzer, Secrets of Mary Magdalane - CDS Books, 1593152051, 2006.
Barbara Thiering, 2006. Jesus the Man: Decoding the Real Story of Jesus and Mary Magdalene (Simon & Schulster:Atria Books)
In the game Xenosaga, KOS-MOS's and T-elos's objective is to join together and reform Mary Magdalene.
Kripal, Jeffrey John. (2007), The Serpent's Gift: Gnostic Reflections on the Study of Religion, Chicago: The U of Chicago P

Christie said...

Thanks! I'm almost done with the Girlfriends Guide to Pregnancy so I'll be looking for something a little more substantial to read. I find religion, in particular the Christian faith, a fascinating subject to study.